It is REALLY foiling! Unbelievable…
Lars from http://www.no-frills-sailing.com made a nice review of Artisan. Lars has a really cool sailing-blog. Please visit it!
So, after quite some time the next entry in my blog: We got a new boat – an Archambault A35. In this blog post I will try to give people who are in the process of looking for a fast but family-suitable boat some background on my decision but also compare the A35 with the Django 7.70.
I was pretty much satisfied with the Django 7.70 but for two adults and now three children it started to feel too small. Given the average of boat sizes twenty years back or longer it is maybe quite spacious and would principally work with three children but somehow for us it was borderline – maybe we are already too spoiled.
Again, I (and my wife admittedly a bit less) wanted to have a boat that is faster than it is luxurious but still would be usable with a family. The following criteria were important for us:
Sailing behaviour and sailing-related equipment
- Fast boat that still can plane
- Better upwind-performance than the Django 7.70
- Good-naturedly and thus suitable for single-handed sailing or short-handed sailing with family
- Bow-sprit for using asymmetric sails
- Tiller steering
- Somehow competitive under common rating schemes
Built-quality and electronics
- Solid but not too heavy
- Good-autopilot and electronics
- Not a too large construction site or too much technical debt – thus most likely: Not raced too hard
- Enough space for two adults and three children
- At least one or better two cabins with a solid doorEnough storage space
- Friendly interior (that was extremely nice in the Django)
- A larger navigation table than the Django 7.70
- Solid door for the bathroom
- A toilet that is accessible without having to move around stuff – if possible with electrical flushing
- A sink in the bathroom
- A cooker with two flames
- A fridge
- Warm water when in port
The other candidates apart from the A35 I looked into were:
- Pogo 30 and Pogo 36:
Definitely nice boats but – even used when or better if available – not within my budget.
- Any X-Yachts:
Even older boats are still quite expensive and from what I heard (admittedly I never sailed one) quite some of them don’t behave too nicely if the wind picks up – it seems most of them need some weight on the rail or, obviously, really early reefing. Furthermore, I found the thought of having sandwich under the waterline quite scary.
- Beneteau First 36.7:
Definitely a worthy candidate – it seems to be a very fast boat especially when going upwind. No tiller steering however. And somehow I did not like the design and very traditional feeling of it. Usually they do not have a bow-sprit.
- Elan S4:
Good looking interior which – if you take a closer look at it – is not very practical for our purposes and offers only little storage space. Fast-looking hull but very heavy and no good ballast to weight ratio.
- Django 9.80:
This is a very nice boat and solidly built: If I am not mistaken it does not have foam sandwich in the outer hull but infused Soric. There is also a version with two cabins in the back. But roughly 160 k€ for a raw boat below 10m length and then sails and other stuff on top? Geez,…
So, I ended up with the Archambault A35:
It fulfilled quite some of the criteria we had (more on that later) and maybe as a result of Archambault being bankrupt they are quite reasonably priced. As Archambault built roughly 140 A35 the market for used boats is also quite liquid – at least in France and Britain where this boat is kind of a bread-and-butter racing and training boat.
Up to now in this season I did not have too much time to use the boat for job, weather and family reasons. However, here come some first thoughts on the boat.
Disclaimer: Please always take my findings with a grain of salt – I try hard but I still have to learn a lot about sailing and sailboats.
Sailing behaviour and sailing-related equipment:
In one sentence: This is a very fast, seaworthy, stiff and powerful boat. It behaves really nicely – even with only two persons on board it did not feel like necessarily reefing while going upwind until 5 Beaufort and even an occasional gust above that. The stability caused by the wide transom and the 44% ballast are also nice for the family: You simply take it a bit slower by reefing earlier and the boat sails more upright. My wife – who sometimes gets sea-sick – finds the boat much more comfortable in waves but we did not experience and heavier weather yet.
Up to now I did only use the asymmetric gennakers in lighter wind conditions and I did not even touch the symmetric spinnakers. I have to say that I am still a bit afraid of their size and the additional complexity of the spinnaker boom. But always when I went sailing this year the wind-conditions made me use the Code Zero that came with the boat quite a lot. This is really a weapon in light wind conditions.
I have the double-rudder version which is feeling really, really neutral – obviously this reduces the power consumption of the autopilot but it gives only little feedback if you trimmed the boat incorrectly. I was a bit afraid of handling the double-rudder version in the harbour but up to now that has not been a problem either. Quite often I dock the boat backwards and then it is not very affected by wind coming from the side.
I was not able to get the Django going quickly upwind on True-Wind-Angles smaller than 50° – that felt somehow like the optimal angle. With the A35 it feels the best angle (at least given my sailing skills) is around 45° or lower. This is obviously a huge difference it is really nice in sailing areas like the Baltic Sea where you just cannot follow the trade-winds but somehow have to go home at the end of your vacation.
The only down-side up to now is that as a result of the larger boat-size everything feels more complicated, more difficult and more sluggish than on the Django. But I guess that was to be expected from a boat being that much larger and heavier and I will get used to it … however, obviously still much better than on a Bavaria or anything comparable.
All in all I am very satisfied how the A35 sails.
Built quality and electronics
The built quality feels quite solid in all concerned areas. However, my A35 was on land for almost two years and thus had quite a backlog of maintenance. But it was never raced too hard.
Despite the overall good quality of the boat there are some areas of annoyance that are maybe obvious to more experienced sailor but that I learned the more or less hard way:
The boat has an inner liner with hollow stringers in longitudinal and lateral direction that contribute to the overall stability of the boat. These stringers are connected to each other and are used for the cables of the boat. That they are connected means that if you get some water between the outer and inner hull somewhere (in my case I got some water in the boat from a damaged pipe for cooling water for the motor) you suddenly end up with water in a different place (like e.g. the cupboard under the navigation table). As another A35 owner advised I managed to get rid of the water in the stringers by using a suction pump usually used to change oil in cars and a tube but it was not that simple. Obviously, I am not the only one who had the problem of having water between hull and inner liner but coming from the Django that problem never occurred to me.
Another issue that did not occur to me was the water tightness of the keel-stepped mast: Up to now I did not find a proper method of preventing water from entering via the slot of the mast. As the mast has a plug of Spartite I also cannot simply get a silicone cover over this plug … if you have any good advice please let me know. Again, I and our boat class are by far not the only ones having this problem…
A well working autopilot is in my opinion one of the most important pre-conditions for hassle-free sailing with family. My boat came with a B&G H3000 system – which is still obviously a good system in general but most of the displays had some water ingress so that the displays were not working correctly. This seems to be a very common issue with the H3000 system. There are still improved replacement displays available here but only for an unacceptable high price.So I replaced the system with a combined B&G Vulcan and Triton setup – I will do another post on this later.I had the opportunity to do the upgrade together with Holger Schulz from Ostsee Nautik (http://www.ostseenautik.de) – which I can only recommend to the highest degree. Holger did all the complicated stuff, showed me some of his tricks and answered all my questions patiently. The components I got rid off will be available for sale shortly.
In terms of the interior (and thus the main reason for switching to a larger boat) I feel that we now have sufficient space – but only barely so:
On one had we have now much more living space than on the Django. Especially, it is now possible to prepare two little children simultaneously for the night or in the morning which was an annoying process before. Also the bathroom/technical area on the starboard side is much more accessible than on the Django.
However, the storage space is quite limited at the time being. This for sure can and will be corrected by cleverly using bags on the walls or making currently non-accessible space e.g. under the front bed accessible but it requires quite some thinking and modifications.
The interior is not so nice and friendly like on the Django but still acceptable.
As far as as the (from my point of view) luxurious changes like an electric boiler, fridge or an electric toilet are concerned: We will for now see and push these investments to the next season.
All in all I feel that my wife and children like the new boat much more than the Django as a result of having additional space.
That is it for now – I will update this post as soon as I will have additional findings…
Beginning of next year we will get another child – and while the Django 7.70 is perfectly fine for a family with two small kids, it starts to get to cramped for one with three children. As a result (and admittedly feeling a bit sad) we will now sale our beautiful ship in order to get a larger one. A few points about our Django 7.70:
- Concerning to Maree Haute the fastest Django that ever has been build: She has got the long keel with 1.95 m draft, a Selden carbon mast and a square-top main sail with backstays.
- First put to water in 2012
- All sails are from Incidences:
- Main sail (not new but in good shape)
- Jib (not new but in good shape)
- Storm Jib (as good as new)
- Gennaker (good condition but four well-repaired smaller wholes (as a result of being tangled in the forestay))
- Code Zero (as good as new)
- Ronstan mast slides
- Raymarine ST68 Chartplotter
- Two Raymarine ST70-Displays
- Raymarine SPX10 Autopilot with p70 Controller
- Raymarine Windex
- Lowrance Link-8 VHF-Radio with passive AIS (other ships with AIS are shown on the chart-plotter display)
- Yanmar 2YM15 integrated engine with 237.5 running hours
- Dyneema Sheets and Haylyards
- Life Raft (freshly maintained in 2016)
- Foam cushions that make the boat (almost) unsinkable: Smallest boat with CE class A. If you would like to sail further off the shore safely (and especially with family) this is definetely a more suitable boat than e.g. a Seascape 27.
- Boat fenders
- Anchor with chain
- The Logos, writing and „green“ nose can be removed easily – it is all plastic foil
The boat is in very good condition. There are some minor dents here and there, but the only „larger“ thing that I know of that has to be done is the re-painting of the carbon mast. But that can also wait one or two additional seasons.
The Django is located in Germany in the western Baltic Sea.
For all the people from France: Flight to Hamburg from Paris to Hamburg is about 80 € and I can pick you up at the airport to go to the boat. Price of transport to France by truck was 2700 € when I brought it here – so I assume it is roughly the same sum to bring it back.
Our ask price for the Django is 69.000 € but we can negotiate around this.
Please mail us via firstname.lastname@example.org.
A week ago I went to France or more exactly Brittany with a friend to look for a larger boat (I am selling my Django 7.70 because we will get another child – if you are interested see here).
First we went to Lorient where currently the boats for the Vendee Globe are being prepared and in the evening we went to La Trinite sur Mer where the big catamarans and other interesting boats are:
The boats we saw were absolutely amazing – see the attached gallery. But what I found even more amazing is the different attitude that French people have towards (off-shore) sailing – while in Germany sailing on larger boats is mostly a „sport“ for wealthy older couples in France it is really something for a broader range of people and an actual sport. Obviously that is reflected in the boats that you see in the marinas: In La Trinite sur Mer it was possible to see all boats that ever interested me in one Marina and within a circle of 50 m diatemeter (Pogo 30, Pogo 8.50, Pogo 10.50, Django 7.70, Archambault A35, Sun Fast 3200) … the French rock!
Wir bekommen weiteren Familienzuwachs – und während die Django für eine Familie mit zwei kleinen Kindern okay ist, wird es mit drei Kindern doch langsam irgendwie eng. Leider werde ich deshalb schweren Herzens unser schönes Schiff verkaufen, um in ein größeres Boot zu investieren.
Ein paar Punkte zu unserer Django 7.70:
- Laut Maree Haute die schnellste Django, die bis jetzt gebaut worden ist: Sie hat den langen Kiel mit 1.95 m Tiefgang. einen Carbonmast von Selden und ein ausgestelltes Großsegel mit den dazugehörigen Backstagen.
- Stapellauf 2012
- Alle Segel sind von Incidences:
- Großsegel (nicht neu aber guter Zustand)
- Fock (nicht neu aber guter Zustand)
- Sturmfock (so gut wie neu)
- Gennaker (guter Zustand, aber vier kleinere geflickte Löcher (hatte sich leider einmal ziemlich um das Vorstag gewickelt)
- Code Zero (so gut wie neu)
- Ronstan kugelgelagerte Mastrutscher
- Raymarine ST68 Chartplotter
- Zwei Raymarine ST70-Displays
- Raymarine SPX10 Autopilot mit einem p70 Controller
- Raymarine Windex
- Lowrance Link-8 VHF-Funkgerät mit passivem AIS (Schiffe werden hiermit auf dem Plotter dargestellt)
- Yanmar 2YM15 Einbaumotor mit zum jetzigen Zeitpunkt 237.5 Benutzungsstunden
- Rettungsinsel (frisch gewartet in 2016)
- Herausnehmbar eingebaute Schaumkissen, die das Boot (fast) unsinkbar machenn: Kleinstes Boot mit CE Klasse A. Wenn man sicher in weiterer Entfernung vom Ufer (insbesondere mit Familie) segeln möchte, ist die Django aus meiner Sicht definitiv besser geeignet als z.B. eine Seascape 27.
- Anker mit Kette
- Dyneema-Schoten und Fallen
Das Boot ist in sehr gutem Zustand. Natürlich gibt es ein paar kleinere Macken, aber die einzige mir bekannte „größere“ Wartungsarbeit, die irgendwann mal gemacht werden muss, ist das Erneuern des Mastanstrichs – das kann aber auch noch ein oder zwei Saisons warten.
Das Boot liegt in der Neustädter Bucht, Deutschland.
Als Preis stellen wir uns 69.000 € vor – aber das ist auch noch ein bischen verhandelbar.
Bitte nehmt unter email@example.com mit uns Kontakt auf.
As quite some of you I am always looking into other boats despite being actually quite satisfied with my own.
Please find attached a little Excel-„database“ with design data of interesting sailboats – also including some numbers like ballast/displacement ratio, sail area number (as calculated by the German Yacht magazine) and displacement/length ratio.
I used the design data to plot the hull speed (using the load waterline lengh) vs, the „sail area number“ (some dimensionless number used by the German Yacht magazine – basicallly: (sail area with gennaker)^0.5 divided by (displacement in tons)^0.3333.
The idea is to get a rough feeling how a certain boat behaves will going up against the wind (= hull speed) vs. behavious while planing downwind (sail number under Gennaker).
Of course this is just a rough evaluation – let me know what you think…
Unfortunately in German – but: very interesting:
Usually not my kind of boat but for sailing around the world this could be an option … given one has the necessary funding.